AMERICA, THIS IS WHAT NORWAY THINKS OF YOU

This is from Vårt Land today (automatic translation):

http://www.vl.no/nyhet/47-land-har-forbud-mot-oppdragervold-1.671635

In the United States it is often associated with a faith conviction and the old idea that there is a duty of care to chastise children, says Per Isdal, psychologist Foundation Alternative to Violence.
The Swedish department of Save the Children has made the list of countries that have bans on corporal punishment of children. The majority of countries that have bans are European (including Eastern Europe) and Latin American.
Wednesday Vårt Land wrote about a child care in Norway that has received international attention. A Norwegian-Romanian couple is deprived of five children and has been charged with domestic violence.
The case has engaged especially in Christian circles since the couple are Pentecostals. Several pastors who support the couple believes that discipline is part of a Christian upbringing. Therefore they look at the case as a violation of religious freedom, since Norwegian authorities have taken from the couplet heir kids because they are brought up in accordance with the Christian faith.
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DISCIPLINE IS VERY COMMON IN THE US
– It’s really an exaggeration to call this for religious persecution. It shows that there are constraints within certain groups that have a biblical interpretation and a rationale that obliges them to punish children physically. It is problematic when we know what it does to kids, says Isdal.
Many of the supporters are Romanians living in the USA. Isdal says that educator violence is very common here. According to a study done by Professor Murray Straus of the University of New Hampshire, 94 per cent of all parents use corporal punishment in the upbringing of their children. Already when children are 24 months old, 85 percent of them experience violence from their parents.
CHILD PROTECTION MUST MEAN MORE THAN THE BIBLE
In Norway, the numbers are far lower. Here it is estimated that 25 per cent of Norwegian parents at some time has punished the children physically. Only 3.5 percent have a pattern of violence over time.
– The figures do not point to specific communities and groups, but when we know that in certain environments people have a religious belief in corporal punishment, we must assume that there is more here, he says.
Isdal does not know how it is in Islamic environments.
– But I have noted that there are few Islamic countries that have bans on corporal punishment of children, he said.
Isdal firmly believe that the only thing that can help preventing this kind of disciplination is knowledge.
– Unfortunately allowing corporal punishment damages children. It is incontrovertible. We must get people to understand that protecting children from harm must be higher than the word of God, he says.
– The research is unambiguous: nurturer violence is harmful
Pia Camilla Aursand, psychologist specialist at Enerhaugen Family Office in Oslo also responds to the fact that religious persecution card is pulled in this case.
– Religious texts recommend nurturer violence were recorded in a time before we knew how harmful it is. It can not be used as a good knowledge of the effects of violence against children.
In family counseling she has therapy with parents that strikes children.
– We could spend a lot of time on religious interpretations in therapy, but it is not so relevant. Violence is prohibited and there is a reason for that: Children who are exposed to violence get a wide range of problems later in life that we do not find the same extent in those who are not turned. This shows research conducted on children from different nations, cultures and religions, she said.
CAN LEARN THAT BEATING IS PROHIBITED
It is important to provide the opportunity for people to learn. Aursand recalls that it is not so long ago it was common to discipline with violence in Norway
– There are still ethnic Norwegian parents that strikes and many others stopped beating when they received information about why it was wrong to use violence, she says.
Aursand think minority parents also will know that corporal punishment is wrong if they receive information and guidance to change parenting behavior.
– I think they will think one more time. Perhaps they even know that this does not feel right, but have grown up in a society where it is common to hit children.

About Cristian Ionescu

Pastor Elim Romanian Pentecostal Church Chicago, USA

4 Răspunsuri to “AMERICA, THIS IS WHAT NORWAY THINKS OF YOU”

  1. Paul Washer predicted this years ago… It’s only a matter of time until we well experiencing what the Christians in Norway are going through…

    „The church in America is going to suffer so terribly. And we laugh now but they will come after us and they will come after our children. They will close the net around us when we are playing soccer mom and soccer dad, while we are arguing over so many little things and mesmerized by so many trinkets, the net even now is closing around you and your children and your grandchildren and it does not cause you to fear. You will be isolated from society as is already happened. Anyone who tries to run for office who actually believes the Bible will be considered a lunatic until finally we are silenced. We will be called things that we’re not and persecuted not for being followers of Christ but for being radical fundamentalists who do not know the true way of Christ which of course is love and tolerance. You’ll go down as the greatest bigots and haters of mankind in history. They’ve already come after your children and for most of you they got them. They got them through the public schools and indoctrination and universities and indoctrination… and you wonder why your children come out not serving the Lord. It’s because you fed them, right into the devils mouth. So little by little the net is closing around and then its not little by little.”

  2. But at the same time know this. Persecution is always meant for evil, but God always means it for good. And is it not better to suffer in this life to have an extra weight of glory in heaven. You must settle this in your mind. This is the one thing I want to say over and over. Down through history you have a wrong idea of martyrdom and persecution. You think that these men were persecuted and martyred for their sincere faith in Jesus Christ. That was the real reason but no one heard that publicly. They were martyred and they were persecuted as enemies of the state, as bigots, as narrow minded stupid people who had fallen for a rouse and could contribute nothing to society. Your suffering will not be noble. So your mind must be filled with the Word of God when all people persecute you and turn on you. This is no game. You want revival and awakening but know this, for the most part great awakening have come only proceeding great national catastrophe and the persecution of the church.” Paul Washer

  3. You know Norway you speak with out knowledge or wisdom. I don’t believe anyone in this world shows more affection and love to their children than Americans. We don’t get money for having children like so many other countries yet we have more children than all of you. We pride ourselves in our children. You don’t have to be Christian or Pentecostal to love. Fact of the matter you took I’m sorry STOLE with no right or no proof but your stupid suspicions at least in our country you innocent till proven guilty. Your country sells these children and you don’t want the truth to come out. Don’t blame our beliefs for your stupidity.

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